The AmWritingFantasy Podcast: Episode 37 – How to choose a title for your novel

You've got the story, but what do you title it? Is choosing a title for your novel pivotal? Are there any steps to pick the right title?

Autumn and Jesper hash out why choosing a title is actually very important and how to go about doing it in episode 37 of the Am Writing Fantasy podcast.

Check out the links we mention in the podcast:

https://www.adazing.com/book-title-generator/

https://www.pickfu.com/books

http://www.lulu.com/titlescorer/

https://publisherrocket.com/

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Narrator (1s): You're listening to the amwritingfantasy podcast. In today's publishing landscape, you can reach fans all over the world. Query letters are a thing of the past. You don't even need a literary agent. There is nothing standing in the way of making a living from writing join to best selling authors who have self published more than 20 books between them. Now onto the show with your hosts, Autumn Birt and Jesper Schmidt.

Jesper (30s): Hello, I'm Jesper. This is episode 37 of the amwritingfantasy and we're going to talk about how to choose a title for your novel.

Autumn (43s): It should be an interesting one because I know you and I have very different techniques. Yes. For on how we choose our titles, which would make it really fun for our code books, but we'll get to that in a minute. For now it's a kind of a fun week, so for me, I've just actually gotten off the road, you know, I live like in a camper and we travel all over North America and we are finally landed back in Pennsylvania. I'm visiting my parents, which is always fun and I'm adjusting to waking up in a real bed and are better having family around and not just birds and squirrels.

So that's my life right now that it's so far so good. It's always nice. I'm catching up on sleep for some reason even though we slept really well and I love sleeping in the camper. Am just been tired the last couple of days. So yeah. You said you fell asleep on the couch or something like that? Yeah, yeah. Which is not like me. I'm not a nap person. But yesterday I couldn't, especially just seeing my parents for the first time in months and months and months and, and you know, I'm supposed to be like talking and socializing and I just passed out on their couch.

Jesper (1m 54s): How do you wear, when you're traveling around, how do you actually do laundry and stuff like that? Do you find like laundry, laundry mats? Is that Colton? Is that what you do or do you have any sort of, uh, laundry or possibility in the car? How do we actually do both?

Autumn (2m 14s): So sometimes we'll actually, there's like three choices. Sometimes we go to a town with a laundromat and go there. We used to sometimes stay at a hotel and often they will have at least a washer and dryer and some campgrounds. Especially you're a Canadian, uh, campgrounds. So Canadian national parks, you guys, Canada, you guys are awesome. I don't, there can be, not say that, but uh, often the Canadian national parks, we'll actually have a washer and dryer, which American national parks often don't even have a shower. So I can't even tell you how awesome Canadian national parks are compared to the U S ones.

Sorry guys. It's true. Why is that? Do you know what, why is that different? I don't know. I don't know if we just have more of them and they're very much, the U S ones are very much under funded. They cannot even keep up with the road upkeep where the Canadian, I've been to some of our national parks and they literally have these granite countertop wash stations with under counter lighting is where you just can go and do your dishes and they have hot showers.

I mean there are nicer than someplace, some luxury resorts I've stayed in and this is just a little pavilion to do your dishes and hang out and talk. And they often have open fireplaces. I mean, they're just amazing, amazing places. And then the U S ones, they're often, you know, struggling to stay open, struggling to take care of their finances, don't even have enough interpreters and park Rangers. So mostly budget, uh, Canada seems to take their national parks really seriously. And they just had their anniversary.

I can't remember if it was the Centennial or 150 years on their national parks. And they put a ton of money and made all the national parks in Canada free in 2018 and that was, I just can't imagine that U S doing that. There's one day a year that they am they last weekend, I think it was, or maybe it was Sunday, they actually opened up all national parks in the U S for free one day versus an entire year. So it's just a lot different approach. And I think there are maybe not as big visited.

Um, the U S ones, there's a few that are really, I've never been to Yosemite. I'd love to see Yosemite. I don't know if I'll ever make it to Yosemite because there's a wait list to get in, but Oh yeah. So the last option I mentioned, I can do laundry in camp. We have something called a scrub, a bag, which I think might be out of Australia. I can't remember where the companies from, but it's this cute little plastic bag that looks like, um, you know, an airtight, watertight one and it has these little things in it. You put in, you know, a couple of shirts, waters and laundry detergent.

You scrub, scrub it for like need it like as a loaf of DOE, uh, for like three minutes. And I cannot believe how well this thing works. When I went out and first got it, I'm like, you want me to do what? Are you kidding, kidding. And now it's just like, it's completely reversed. I'm like, you want me to go to town and sit there and, and nasty, you know, laundromat for flowers when I could just be here in camp.

And go, you know, I'm done in 15 minutes and you hang up your laundry to dry and I'm still talking to the squirrels. So I actually really like it, but it doesn't help when United up with some really like a lot of laundry. It just doesn't work. You've gotta be on top of it pretty much weekly. Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, you don't want it to build up to a big pile of laundry to do. So, uh, we don't have much clothing with us. I mean, we are in our current camper. The area under the queen size bed is all closed storage and plus, you know, we have a few other notes and crannies where you can toss your jackets and things.

But yeah. You we don't have a ton of clothes, so, well, you know, when you're getting down to your skivvies you've probably waited too.

Jesper (6m 5s): Yeah, I can imagine. Um, and I also, um, well maybe it was while you were driving around. I don't know. But, uh, but at some point it was sort of leading up to summer, so it's a bit a while back, so to speak. But, um, so you told me to read a book, which I read over the summer holidays called StoryBrand, and it just, I just wanted to bring this up because it was quite funny in the, in the way when you, when you had read it then you S you said to me that, uh, I think actually maybe we should add like a attack line for the amwritingfantasy website, but we should probably also redesign it.

And I was like, uh, attack line. Why I don't see any point in that. And then over the summer I read the book and I was like, Oh, I'm so with you now. I fully, you're coming from. But it's funny. So I just wanted to, to bring it up because actually I think am for those listening, it is actually a worthwhile book to read. Also just in the sense that narrowing down, you know, as an author, why is it that you're writing and what are you trying to achieve and how could you, you know, communicated to, I don't know, maybe your family or it could also be to readers why it is really that you are, um, writing I, I think in that regard that that StoryBrand book actually works pretty well too.

So, um, yeah, so I just wanted to give that recommendation to listeners here.

Autumn (7m 38s): Yeah. And a big shout out to Gail Scrivener who, uh, was the Scribner cut podcast the guest for your podcast. She, um, she turned me on to, I think it's Don Miller sent Daniel, so I'm pretty sure it's a Dawn Miller, his book StoryBrand and yes, to have read that from, you know, as a graphic artists but also to, I've read that as an author as well as the, what we teach with the amwritingfantasy and are YouTube and everything we do, you suddenly realize how to break down your targeting and your audience and how to say what you're doing and how to kind of figure out what you're trying to do with this, what you're currently marketing, um, even your books.

And that was like, Oh, wow, yeah, I need to read. Is. I, and I ended up redesigning my personal website and now once I get some space and time on my hand and I recover more from the road, I want to, we went to tackle the amwritingfantasy website because yeah, it really, you suddenly realize how cluttered things are and how much more interesting it can be just to focus on some things. Sort of like, you know, no longer have to worry about all these crazy B-roll and stuff that you need to be to be doing the podcast.

Jesper (8m 48s): Yeah, yeah, me too. Me too. Absolutely. And, and I think yeah, as if I don't have enough things to record already, but uh, I actually thinking about maybe making sort of a, a free, not a freeze, what am I talking about? A free, a free, that's what I'm trying to say. Free a free video course that people could get once they sign up via amwritingfantasy to just make things a lot more simple. Uh, we do have a, some freebies on amwritingfantasy today.

Like for example, we have that am book price analysis. Um, but at the same time there are the resources out there that goes even into more depth. So, and I have some things on my list of things that I'm thinking that doesn't really fit into the other courses that we are going to create. They are still valuable. So I was actually thinking maybe once I'm done recording all the, all the stuff for the world building cost that I also have to do.

But once I'm done with all that, may, maybe I could do some recording of a, a shorter free cause that people could get their hands on

Autumn (9m 60s): you adding something else to your bottom of your never ending.

Jesper (10m 6s): I can't help myself. That's the problem with the amwritingfantasy. Podcast yeah. So actually we, we've sort of been batch recording a bit here because, um, yeah, we've, we just started this new format of the podcast and just in case any of us ever get sick or something should prevent us, we don't want to miss a Monday release. So we've been best recording a bit. And why I'm bringing this up is because in the one of the previous episodes here, we actually asked you guys out there listening if am if it's possible to leave comments on the Google podcast app or in the native Apple podcast app.

And of course, because we're batch recording, we don't know the answers yet. So I just wanted to reiterate that the, if you can please try to drop a comment and see if it's possible. And, uh, of course, and we have on our end, no idea if we actually gonna get notified if you do those comments. So if we don't respond to it, which I promise if I see a comment, I respond to it and then, you know as well that I saw it. But if we don't respond then I dunno, hit us up on Twitter or something and say that you left a comment because then at least we know that it's possible, but then we will also know that we can't see it or hear it.

But uh, yeah, you actually, the link to both our Twitter profiles, I in the show notes, so check that out. But I'm still curious to know if it's possible to comment on podcasts episodes.

Autumn (11m 36s): Absolutely. It, it'll be interesting and I, if we can't see the comments, if they don't come through automatically, I, there's gotta be a way that we can log in, you know, respond. It would just make a little note on our task list. Hey, you know, at least twice a week go over and see you comments.

Jesper (11m 52s): Yeah, yeah. Something, yeah, yeah, that would be good. But, but I, yeah, as I said, I don't even know if it's possible for people to leave a comment. So I guess that's hurdle number one, but probably somebody out there could, uh, could be so kind to test it out for us and then shoot us a message on Twitter or something to say either I have left a comment or saying I have tried, but it's impossible.

Autumn (12m 12s): And you said we know where we are with it and you definitely on Twitter, uh, me, I'm more on Instagram, but you know, I, I've been trying to be good now that I'm off the road that I've actually checking in on Twitter again. I used to be my main platform and was the last one I go to. I admit it, but ah, Instagram, if you're on Instagram you'll find me there. Yeah, absolutely. What, speaking of comments, so we actually had a really great one that just came through today that I thought was, it's so universally true because even with 16 books out actually happens to me too.

And that's what I responded to. But, uh, Sam went in on our starter kit, which speaking of freebies, that is our current free mini course that could teach you some really good tips, especially if you're a newbie, is just starting out writing to make sure that you make it into and through your first novel. And he said on the second one that this helps so much. I have a tendency to get bored towards the middle of my manuscript. With that boredom comes a bright new shiny idea that and latch onto and the process repeats without me going back to a previous story, too many Chinese in migraine.

So when I get bored again, I'm going to try to outline the next few chapters, interview or write a short story with some of my characters to get the boredom gap out. I really liked those ideas. Thanks. So that's cool. That is really cool. So want to thank you, Sam. I love the comment, but as I replied to him, it happens. I mean I'm currently in am. I was on a holding pattern. We talked about that before. I took a couple of weeks off from writing and now I'm getting back into it and I've just not what I want to go write something else because I got stuck in it.

I got stuck in my life. I get stuck, I took a break from writing and I'm like, Oh, I don't like the current setup. I want to do something else. And yeah, you know, this is going to be my 17th or 18th book depending on which one I release first. Cause I've got two things going at once and it still hits me. You still have to be, you know, sometimes I told him you sometimes you just have to be the stubborn person in the room and be like, no, I am not going to, you know, get out of this. I'm not going to turn around and not do this. So I make sure that I stick to what I'm working on because I've made a promise to my readers, but, and it's my business.

I'm, you know, professional. So I can't just go chasing rainbows and unicorns no matter how awesome and pretty and bright and shiny they are,

Jesper (14m 35s): right. Yeah, indeed. Yeah. And I also liked how, um, how you asked in the, uh, in, in the amwritingfantasy Facebook group, if anyone had am put some, some time aside for him, like a mid summer update of updating any of their back catalog of books with the links to their new books. Um, because that's, that's really something that is often overlooked isn't it, you know, to go back and update those, uh, those back matters of, of our previous books.

Autumn (15m 4s): Absolutely. And I really, uh, some of my first Epic fantasy series, I haven't, I need to go back and add mine to new releases from the summer. And I guess I'm just kind of putting it off because I've reformatted things a little bit and added a few new stuff, new pieces of back matter to my current novellas and I want to go back and put it in all the other ones. So it's not as simple as just adding a link. It's all gonna take a half an hour, then the upload time and yeah. Okay. This is my first day off the road.

Jesper (15m 33s): Yeah. So with that. And I also wanted to be loved.

Autumn (15m 38s): I know it's going to be so interesting. We have a interesting topic coming up, so let's

Jesper (15m 44s): go ahead.

Autumn (15m 47s): Okay. So how do you choose a title for your novel? That's always a tricky one for me. I, I've kind of go with a gut instinct feel, but I know there's other techniques and I know you do something completely different. Yes. For yes.

Jesper (16m 3s): Yeah. Well it's not because I originally was very scientific about it either. I think, you know, of course for I start, one could ask, you know, how, how, how much does the title and the subtitle really matter? And at least I think it matters a great deal because it conveys the sugar to the reader and above anything else it has to convey the Shaundra. Uh, and I think it's what you just mentioned there is more common than, than you think, you know, that authors tried to come up with something clever or unique or something like that and think, ah, that, that, that'll be good.

Right. But actually I would say no, it's, it's the opposite.

Autumn (16m 46s): I don't disagree with you. I think what I'm going with, my gut instinct is to fit the genre and the book and you know, Oh, it was like, you know, if something's going to have dragons in it, that's great for fantasy. But I also, I do know that there's people even I've seen on websites, that's my favorite thing when you're looking through the website menu and there's something so clever there and you have no idea what it means. So I do think there's a tendency for folks to have really unique, interesting names and words.

And sometimes that doesn't tell you anything about them.

Jesper (17m 19s): No, exactly. I mean, I, and I'm guilty of this too, so I'm, I'm sort of, uh, uh, you know, acknowledging that fact completely. Um, when I, when I had to name the three books in my Keystone boom, true religion, for example, I thought that I was really smart and, uh, I, I wanted all the, all eats of the book titles to start with the letter D because then I thought that'll be cool. Right? So I named them desolation degradation and damnation, those three books. And I thought that was awesome.

But if you weren't listening to the podcast and you knew that we are talking about fantasy from those titles, you will have no idea that it's a fantasy novel. And so yeah, it's, it's not a good, it's not good titles to be honest. And I think I actually, I should go back and change them and now should alter change the covers because I know a ton more today than I did back then. But yeah, you know, time, time is also an issue.

Autumn (18m 15s): I say if we always keep retweaking what we did but not, you know, at the same time there are some, um, some reasons too, but I know with my first trilogy, it was born of water, rule of fire and spirit of life. And of course it was elemental magic. So I made sure I had that in there. But I remember telling somebody a couple times, like born of water and they actually asked if it was religious. And I was like, um, maybe I'm just really out of tune with some religions cause I didn't even Dawn on me and it still doesn't quite.

Um, but again, that's just, it. That's the huge world. You're not going to be familiar with everything and you're not going to be able to control how other people will always interpret it. But I was thinking of the elemental magic, but again, I could have probably thrown something else in there. And I remember I was trying to be clever too, and also thinking, Oh gosh, I don't want to do this, is that there's five elements, uh, in my world and I should have five books and with a few other ones, like bones of earth and something else for the other are was missing as well.

And I'm like, uh, no, it's a trilogy. So I'm skipping those two. What I did, the next trilogy, I, you know, I had a few things on there. I have Gates of fire and earth. I have spark of defiance and a new goddess. So only one of them actually mentioned elements and the taglines, uh, w was pretty straightforward. Tag, realize am Epic fantasy adventure and elemental magic. Something like,

Jesper (19m 49s): yeah, that's good that that conveys this younger pretty clearly so people know what it is, right? When I think titles are more aligned with fantasy as well compared to mine. Um, but I, I think, you know, I, I went on to the top 100 bestseller lists in the fantasy category on Amazon, just to sort of check what people are saying there because that's always a a neat trick that you can apply is to go and say, look at the books that actually sells and what are they titling the books. And so I just pick three at random here just to give you and the listeners here in an example, you know of how you can use the book title to really show what that it is a fantasy book.

And of course in the bestseller lists lists, there are a hugely popular ones, like the Handmaid's tale, which is cutting the number one. Then of course followed by Harry Potter. So I left, left those out because that's, I say it felt like it. Well we all know those books anyway, so, and then I picked some of the other ones from the top one and you get tired. This like magic fury that King and then chosen you. See you see what I mean? Yes. If I just told you those titles and you have no idea where, you know, what's younger we are talking about, and I mean that you didn't know that this is offensive.

She podcast you would probably put it quickly guests that this is fantasy books. Right, right.

Autumn (21m 11s): And I used to say, I know some of the ones I've read like arcane you, you know, that's the magic and fantasy easily.

Jesper (21m 18s): Right, exactly. And that's exactly my point, right? I mean the title needs to clearly tell the reader that this is a book for you. And uh, if you being smart about it, like, like I was, then you're not telling them that. I mean, a book called desolation. What's that? It could be anything.

Autumn (21m 35s): Yeah, it sounds posted. Co park elliptic to me.

Jesper (21m 37s): Yeah. And then maybe a bit scifi could also be right. That's true. But yeah, so, so don't do that. The weird thing is I always end up repeating myself and do what I say don't do what I do because I, along the way, I always learn things too, to do them smarter. And then that's what I'm talking about. And of course I never did that myself. So, uh, yeah, learn from,

Autumn (22m 3s): well I think that's am that's part of the reason though, at least it's part of the reason I started with amwritingfantasy and doing it and my first blogs to other authors was because I am such a tendency to do things the hard way and learn by mistakes and I'm trying to keep other people from necessarily following in my footsteps and maybe just, you know, taking the easy path.

Jesper (22m 26s): Yeah. Hopefully that's at least the idea also also from, uh, from this podcast that we can, we can share our experience and then hopefully people can make a shortcut to not go through all the hurdles and hoops that we've gone through. Um, but I have quite a few tools that I wanted to share with people here as well that that can help with with all the titling. But I don't know if I should just jump into all that stuff. Autumn or, well, what do you think?

Autumn (22m 51s): I think so. I mean, I, like I said, the only thing I've done other than, um, going and randomly, you know, choosing something that feels like it fits my book and it sounds a little fantasy or running it by other authors obviously can also help. But, you know, I do know some people who go into, there's a few websites that will give you some good suggestions for like blog post titles, things that are clickable and that people will like. And I do know some people who do run titles through that, kind of like a title generator to see what comes up. And if something sounds even better and more exciting.

But those are the only three techniques I've thought of. So what do you have?

Jesper (23m 27s): Okay, so hang on because I have a long star, a long list of stuff of what of things you can do. So, uh, uh, of course we were going to put links to these different things in, in the show notes. So you know, you don't have to make notes of this stuff if anything piques your interest. Um, so just check out the show notes here. But first of all, I would say route, write down at least five different titles for your book. And of course each one have to clearly communicate that this is fantasy. And you can also use your subtitle to get specific.

For example, like if you want am autumn set gave an example before, but you could also just say like a tale of Epic fantasy or something like that, you know, just so that it's very clear. And if you are writing, for example a trilogy or a series, then the same logic applies to the series name. That's also needs to clearly communicate what this young race. So if you write down some different ideas, um, then that's a good start. But there was also some online tools that can actually help you out if you find it difficult to come up with something.

And there is, for example, one called adazing.com/book title generator. And again there will be a link in the show notes, but this one will actually suggest you some possible title names. And the cool thing about this tool is that you pick your stronger as well. So we will try to give you titles that are based on the genre. So that's pretty cool. And uh, as far as I know it's free, but I, I think you do have to create an account with your email address, but, uh, but I think it's, you don't have to pay for it other than that.

Oh, good. Um, and then there was also the possibility to use lulu.com/titlescorer which is pretty cool as well because it actually uses statistical research to give you a score for your title. So for example, as I said before, if you have five titles you came up with, you can type them into lulu.com uh, and then it will give you a score on how good it believes that the title is from a best seller perspective.

And that's pretty damn cool. And it because of you, because it's useless statistical research to back it up. So that, that's, that's, that's good. It's a good indication at least.

Autumn (25m 43s): Yeah. The scientist in me is like, Oh, I want to go try that.

Jesper (25m 46s): Yeah, exactly. So I think that that is cool. Uh, and of course one should never back away from anything called split testing. Split testing is always good. So again, if you have your, uh, your different titles, you can, for example, use pickfu.com/books. Uh, and that w that website will actually put your dif, different titles. You can put in like your two different titles and you could pitch them against each other and then PickFu we'll put it in front of an audience and let people vote on which one they liked the most.

So this one will cost you a bit of money to run that survey, but I think it will be well worth it. And um, and then basically you will get real people voting on which one they liked the most. And uh, yeah, that's always good.

Autumn (26m 33s): I kinda like that. That sounds like a lot of fun, which does also make me realize that Hey, I could always just ask the readers in my newsletters to do something very similar and not have to spend them.

Jesper (26m 44s): Yeah, exactly. That was where I was going next in that, that is absolutely right. So, of course, if you have an email list, you can just ask people or your email subscribers to vote. Uh, you know, you can even put it into like a, like a Google form or something and just ask them to vote and it will cost you nothing. Right. But, uh, I would say though that the, you need to have a certain amount of people voting down. I mean if you don't have at least a thousand responses, then it's not really statistically relevant. So you might end up, if you, for example, get let's say a hundred responses, you do run the risk that you might just have hit a very small subset of the market and they liked the particular title.

But actually the broader audience wouldn't. So be mindful of that, that you need enough people on your email list if you actually kind of go by their boats, I would say. Uh, but of course if you are losing you or using your email list, it has the nice added benefit of it that the, you know, you're getting people invested in your upcoming release because they are allowed to start voting on the title and imagine that you then pick one of the ones that the people like, right. I mean then they already pretty invested in the book before you even release it.

So, so that's an awesome benefit.

Autumn (27m 56s): Yes. I mean I just asked my newsletters, uh, my readers, which series, cause I started too serious with tune at different novellas and a mailer Lite has this really cool survey form that gives you a lot of results and it's just part of their, you know, newsletter building. And so yeah, I, I did something very similar and said, which one do I write next? And Oh my gosh, it was like 40% to 60. It was a 10% difference between which one I should write next. So it's kind of exciting.

The results come in and let readers know when the next email, which one they chose.

Jesper (28m 32s): Yeah. And sometimes you actually am I would almost say more often than not, you get surprised about the results that you see because the one you think is the best is not the one people vote for.

Autumn (28m 41s): That's true. But at least I like both of the ESL win-win.

Jesper (28m 45s): Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And of course you also have an a yet another option a and I mean please don't get overwhelmed by all the different uh, tools that I'm mentioning here. And that's my purpose is not to overwhelm you, it's just to give you different possibilities and you don't, you don't have to use all of them. You can sort of pick and choose what you feel most for. But you could also use publisherrocket, which is formerly known as KDP rocket because there is possibilities inside that software to give you an idea on how well your title title will be performing on our YouTube channel, there is a, one of the older videos that actually giving a review of KDP rocket as it was called back then.

So you can go and check that out if you're interested. But I think for the most part, I would say that this trick probably works the best for nonfiction titles more than fiction ones, but for nonfiction at least, if that's what you're writing and trying to make a title for then I would definitely say that you should try out publisherrocket because it's, it's really excellent at that. And actually we tweak it. We tweet one of our titles are on the future plotting book that we're going to release at some point later this year maybe.

Um, we actually changed the title of that based on what KDP rocket told us or publisherrocket as it's called now. So. So it's definitely useful.

Autumn (30m 8s): Definitely. And of course that one is a, you do have to buy it, but there's so many things you can do with it. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I think it'll end up making your publishing life on a little bit better if you go for publisherrocket. Yeah.

Jesper (30m 23s): Well, a bit off topic here, but there are so many other benefits of publisherrocket, like a collecting all your, uh, Amazon add keywords and stuff like that. It makes it a million times easier. And I think the nice, what I like with the KPD KDP rocket or publisherrocket is basically that it's a one time fee. It's not one of these monthly things that you have to pay for. So you pay for it once and then it's yours. And I really liked that.

Autumn (30m 48s): Yes.

Jesper (30m 50s): And I, and it's not that expensive on top of my head. I think it's $99. But I could be mistaken. But it's not that expensive.

Autumn (30m 57s): No. I think, uh, if you're gonna publish multiple books, there's a few things out there and I love you publisherrocket I love it for the keyword feature, just helping me find which ones I want to use and which ones are going to really help. And undaunted,

Jesper (31m 14s): that feature alone is worth the money. You know, you can spend ages collecting Amazon keywords, uh, but publisherrocket doesn't, does it in half a second.

Autumn (31m 26s): Yeah. So it becomes more of a logic puzzle to me instead of a mind numbing tasks.

Jesper (31m 33s): Do you remember when we were first collecting the keywords and we were sitting there copying and pasting out of Amazon? Jesus Christ. That was painful.

Autumn (31m 41s): That was it. It was like, okay, I'm going to put side eight hours to spend on Amazon while I go through every single letter in the dictionary with are like 16 different keywords. Oh, it was horrible. It was so bad. It's incredible. We're totally off topic now.

Jesper (31m 55s): Yeah, completely off topic. But I guess it's also because, uh, that was sort of a, my inputs on how you can pick your titles for your books and I think at bottom line here is basically you need to really make sure that you are conveying the genre without eh, straight of a doubt to the reader answer. So don't get clever and a then split test, split test, split test and let the data speak instead of your own biased opinion. Because honestly we, we usually wrong.

We think that we know best I authors.

Autumn (32m 29s): That's true. But it was interesting. It's like we say where it's like that I'm always wanting to question everything. I think I get it from my dad. So when you say conveying the genre, we have to, we should say is that because I know in some people are like the Chronicles of Valdor on and to them that is the, you know, conveying there's genre conveying their world. But I like the word Chronicles, but is that really, you know, nitty gritty, getting it down to what is in the genre. So what words do you think are going to come up with a really good intro?

You know, things that really sound like they're going to be a good fantasy word. Like I would say dragons Chronicles magic. What other terms can you think of really quick that might help convey a good fantasy genre? And if you can think of anything, you know, let us know as you go through the listing to this, you know, we asked you for some comments. So if you happen to come up with some comments, that would be fantastic. Let us know what keywords you can go fantasy and women's view promo.

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